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The Upcoming UAP Report; The NY Times; And Drones n' Trash

I said a couple years back that the photos were not UFOs as such and more recently movie special effects people have poured scorn on the footage and explained what it all likely was.

 I stated that Ufology was being taken for a ride that will build up more and more  with no ultimate disclosure and no admission that UFOs MIGHT be extra terrestrial. 

 This is perfect counter intelligence and as Greenewald points out; this is the same old same old. 

Luis Elizondo still a UFO hero?

Skinwalker Ranch: Angels & Demons, Brandon Fugal, UFOs and Mormons | The...

33 minutes with over 18 minutes "selling" Fugal. Disappointed to say the least.

Stephen Greenstreet lost credibility here. NOT a video of his experience at the Ranch but a long missionary video for the Mormons as well as showing how much money Fugal has, how he is a "big name in town" has lots of  money to spend and, of course, a "mormon buddy". 

In one fell swoop the whole independent investigation turned into nothing but showed that there could be a very biased look at events in the next video.

Up until this video I thought Greenstreet WAS independent.

Let's see how this plays out, shall we?

Sasquatch, Bigfoot, Mystery Primate -Some Thoughts

 There are First Nations legends that seem to indicate that there was some type of large unknown  hairy hominid. There are certainly many Native American names for what most people today call Bigfoot or Sasquatch.

Now when it comes to our understanding of when people actually migrated into the Americas—and also where they came from—well, our knowledge is expanding dramatically. New archaeological  finds have small but major in what we are learning from them. The emerging picture suggests that humans may have arrived in North America at least 20,000 years ago—some 5,000 years earlier than has been commonly believed. Were there other human inhabitants on the continent that we have yet to find the remains of?

A village or villages would not take long to disappear once abandoned and the forest takes back over. I've seen any number of buildings in the UK and Europe abandoned and until you make your way through the overgrowth and trees you do not see them.

How long it took family groups, moving overland together for protection from predators not afraid of man and form territories we do not know. When they first adopted a name for their particular tribe is also a moment lost in history but there are points to consider.  

There may well have been forest dwelling fauna -canids and/or felids- that we know nothing about. Die in the forest and the scavengers will move in and as has been shown a deer carcass does not last a few weeks. A skeleton or bones need to be found first and then analysed to see whether the animal in question is known or unknown. There may be future discoveries that will really change the image of North American wildlife history. 

But you have to find the bones first -as with human remains- and those could be hidden under the continents forestry and a great deal of that has never been seen by explorers or natives. 

Above: A replica of Gigantopithecus at the Museum of Man in San Diego. Photo (c)2022 Zuma https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/160106-science-evolution-apes-giant

There are a lot of possibilities. However, until bones are found it is pure speculation and fantasy.  I mention this as many have shouted out at lectures and in print (and TV of course) that the Sasquatch may be a species of Gigantopithecus.

If you check out Wikipedia you will learn that  Gigantopithecus is an extinct genus of ape from roughly 2 million to 350,000 years ago during the Early to Middle Pleistocene of southern China, represented by one species, Gigantopithecus blacki. Potential identifications have also been made in Thailand, Vietnam, and Indonesia. There is no evidence for it having existed in North America. That is not to say that there may not have been a related species but, again, the evidence needs to be found and gigantopithecus evidence is not exactly in abundance outside of North America.  

After almost 60 y6ears the "best" evidence is still considered to be the Patterson-Gimlin footage taken in 1967. Sceptics, debunkers and pro-Sasquatch researchers and lay people have written about, study and even 'analysed' the footage as well as the way "Patty" walks. Despite fake claims of being "the man in the Bigfoot suit" it has never been proven a fake or genuine.

The enlarge cell from the footage (above)  and other cells have raised claim and counter-claim. Unless new footage of irreproachable authenticity emerges showing a similar hominid is presented, and I have stated this for over a decade, the Patterson-Gimlin footage should no longer be waved as evidence as it takes the debate around in circles for even more decades.

A more sensible approach to the Sasquatch question is taken by the Small Town Monsters documentary company which is talking to and recording eye witness accounts as well as the history of these reports from around the United States. They are also attempting to gather evidence. https://www.youtube.com/c/SmallTownMonsters

The above and below art seems to be far more in keeping with observer descriptions of Sasquatch.  I have no idea who created these but in decades I have seen many "Sasquatch paintings" and these take it to a whole new level.  My first words (out loud) when I saw the image below was "Wow".  

(above and below) (c)2022 respective copyright owner

If we only accept that 2% of the observer accounts from the last 40 years (so hundreds) are true encounters or observations and that the circumstances in which they took place are accurately stated then we have to pay attention.  

I am afraid to say that the involvement of so called "cryptozoologists" in the subject does not help. They have not contributed a great deal other than self publicity and making money. What they have given us are theories and stories, some concocted to push a theory, of "dimensional portholes" that Sasquatch move out of and into. Bullet proof Sasquatch -giving us the theory that it is supernatural. Then we have the theory that Sasquatch is...of alien origin.  

These people also seem to have no idea how to take evidence for DNA testing; a long dark hair found in the forest where a Sasquatch was seen months ago -send it in for analysis. Analysis that costs thousands £/$ as well as time for...Bear DNA or Elk DNA or even deer DNA. When the analyst states "No unknown DNA" that is seen as a cover up or, somehow, the sample was tampered with. Faking Sasquatch prints and 'finding' them for a TV show just smacks down any real interest from science.  

The late wildlife biologist John Bindernagel had his work largely ignored by the Bigfoot 'community' as they did not need evidence because they knew Bigfoot was out there. It was disheartening for him as he had done the field work and gathered the data that the "We want to prove  Sasquatch is out there" crowd should have read, praised and used to take field work further. 

In 1982 I was -in the main- a naturalist specialising in wild canids and felids. One day I received a letter from a friend telling me that the Kentucky UFO Investigators League (see footnote)  was looking into reports of the "Fouke Monster"/ "The Boggy Creek Monster" (aka a local Bigfoot). The lead investigator Gary L. Webster contacted in April, 1982 -replying to a letter I had sent John Daly a good while before. Gary asked about gathering evidence and what was required.  

For me that was a chance to learn more -not about any Bigfoot type creature but the habitat itself. No internet back then so I had to resort to technical books written by biologists, botanists and wildlife experts.  After two months I had found that there was sufficient water, flora and fauna and enough habitat for a large animal to survive.  But, you may ask, wouldn't the locals know these things were out there?  Well, yes -the reports exist as did the tracks. 

I can give another example(s); there have been a number of cases in the United States where an "unknown creature" was taking or killing local dogs. Now, as soon as I heard that I did not think "Bigfoot" or some paranormal creature. I immediately thought puma/cougar. Cryptozoologists and others talked of a silent, stealthy creature able to get over high fences -there was no such creature existing in the areas. Where i did interrupt the fantasy and suggested a puma the backlash could get nasty.  

Oh. Eventually game camera took images of the "mystery killers"...pumas. Not supposed to be in the area but as populations grow they do instinctively pass through old territories now built on.  Why do I mention dogs being killed or even for that matter small livestock?  Simply because if there is a Sasquatch-like creature then you have to consider its diet and body size. This is no lowland gorilla that sits around eating fruit or other vegetation all day or else by now we would know their locations and been able to study them.

The anecdotal descriptions of Sasquatch gives an estimated  height of roughly 1.8–2.7 metres (6–9 ft), with some descriptions having the creatures standing as tall as 3.0–4.6 metres (10–15 ft) although I suspect that the extreme heights are down to the animal standing on something not seen by the observer or exaggeration. Estimates of body weight vary from 300-500+ lbs (136-226 kgs). The muscle mass would require a very good source of nutrition and that will not just come from being a "gentle vegetarian".  Meat would provide the protein needed or supplement the hominids vegetable diet.

There are reports of Sasquatch hunting, killing or seen carrying off dead deer -a dead deer may have died due to any number of causes but a free food source is nothing to turn a nose up to. The description or theory that Sasquatch may hunt in a group to catch deer and even use dogs is stretching things. Primates will act together to get a food source but speculating wildly that dogs are used -coyotes and wolves also-  to aid the hunt does not help credibility.  We know wolves became companions of early man and this led to domestication. Sasquatch is using dogs as food or to hunt with them -confusing and conflicting speculation.

That Sasquatch would require a good mixed diet seems obvious. Arnold Schwarzenegger did not get his build through eating blueberries and other fruit.  If there is sufficient fruit and root resources then that is a positive. Rodents and other small mammals not to mention frogs, toads and lizards and insects, wild honey -all able to support a small local population. Plenty of cover for resting in while travelling a territory and with few humans around then perfect. Humans building on old wildlife tracks and territory should expect wild visitors.

Everything is there that would be needed to support a small number of local Sasquatch so what is needed is the evidence.  As with UFOs and the paranormal the Sasquatch/Bigfoot field is full of fake photos and footage from the well done down to the absolutely ridiculous looking.

There are areas where there is said to be a lot of Sasquatch activity and humans scouring the area and going out "tree knocking" and calling (with no idea what the calls might mean to a real creature that uses them).  The few recordings of calls from alleged Sasquatch that have not turned out to be wildlife such as coyote, etc., sound very much like primate calls. Escaped or released primates as I believe can be found in the Florida Everglades is a possibility. The constant smell of humans would drive a fairly reclusive animal well away especially if they have experienced human hunters.

The answer to gathering visual evidence are game cams. If an area experiences constant Sasquatch activity then the solution is to place cameras well out of the reach of, say, a 10ft (3m) tall creature. If these could be place and left as solar powered and with a link to a base computer that can check feed all the better. The alternative is the same thing: as many cameras in and around an area with a power source that can last up to a week after which SD cards can be collected and new batteries installed along with new SD cards. 

It is a long process and it may make some people sick of seeing bears, deer, raccoons and cougars (valuable information for zoologists though) but just that one small clip or 2-3 quality photographs with a good chain of evidence to rule out anyone faking something and they would kick in scientific interest. 

All the cryptozoology books, all the You Tube fakery and TV series present no evidence. Evidence is and must be what leads the way and with so much inter-personality/group fighting going on the work needs to be carried out by competent naturalists or zoologists.

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Kentucky (KUFOIL)

Founded by Gary Webster and Rick Ziegler in 1981. It was based out of Covington, Kentucky. This chapter collected monthly membership dues which mostly went to the high costs of reproductions of their field manual, which was based on the UFOIL Manual and MARCEN Manual. The group also investigated ghost hauntings and Bigfoot sightings in addition to UFO's. A drop in reports and dwindling membership numbers resulted in the groups breakup in late 1982.

Notable Cases

Big Bone Lick State Park Trailer Park case in 1981. The trailer park no longer exists today, but residents there in the early 1980s reported Bigfoot sightings.

Fouke Monster (Arkansas) case in April 1982.

Donald Keyhoe and NICAP -A Counter Intelligence Operation?

 

What did Major Donald E. Keyhoe, USMC (ret) and NICAP achieve? Well, NICAP investigators brought us some very interesting reports and the grass roots members did what they could.

The same applied to APRO and its members. With APRO you saw occasional photographs of its offices and James and Coral Lorenzen at work. You see the filing cabinets, maps and more. With NICAP you saw...nothing. I and others have searched for years but where are the photos of NICAP HQ?

It is possible that they had a registered office for business -tax reasons, mail deliveries and so on but, still, it claimed secretarial staff and archives. Keyhoe we have footage ot and many photographs -he was not shy to show and promote himself but...no shots "in the office".

Keyhoe is the person who the press and media focussed on. He sat there and span a yarn. Checking many of the accounts in his books you will find that he claimed a lot but as the former head of USAF Project Blue Book, Captain Edward J. Ruppelt stated; Keyhoe got the facts and put his own spin on them. Keyhoe appears to be the main source for the claim that Captain Thomas Mantell was shot down in his aircraft or, at the very least his aircraft crashed because of close proximity to a UFO.  The actual report is very specific and the very likely reason for Mantell's fate was given.

A "source" in Air Material Command" or a senior military man gave Keyhoe information that was supposedly secret but on asking the USAF he had confirmation of the details. The whole UFO dialogue in the United States was almost dictated by Keyhoe who had access to reporters and reporters were keen to get the latest saucer news. 

Now I have read all of Keyhoe's books. They were more or less must reading back in the 1970s and he had a writing style that made things almost appear like they came about  in a detective noire world. Yes, he was said to be a racist but he came from a time and background that bred that kind of thing. No excuse but a simple statement.

Keyhoe is credited with drawing in former heads of the CIA, USAF and Naval intelligence as well as others who were, until they joined NICAP, more or less the anti-flying saucer people. They joined NICAP and it's mouthpiece, Keyhoe, carried on with the same old song. Eventually, he was kicked out. Ousted by those former anti-saucer, now pro-saucer intelligence folk.

Only thing missing here is Chris Mellen and Luis Elizondo 😕😕

Back in 2000 I was re-reading all of Keyhoe's books as well as some of his articles for something I was working on (basically, that he was a pioneer in the UFO field) and I sat back. I was confused. I had read all this stuff before, seen all the interviews with him that I could find and...I realised that he did not make any breakthroughs and at times it almost seemed that he was anti USAF while still promoting its stance.

I am a bit of an historian and interested in military as well as intelligence and counter intelligence; by the time I was in my twenties the Double Cross, Triple Cross and black and grey propaganda were no real mysteries. The triple cross with an added double cross are things to read about! I also knew about the long haul counter intelligence operations; a central figure used against a body or system while secretly being employed by it. This has been done with UFOs -racist organisations in the United States in the 1950s filtering out fake tall, blond haired and blue eyed alien encounters and more. 

The Robertson Panel in the 1950s saw to it that UFOs were ridiculed but also had people who fed Ufology false information. The same thing continued into the 1960s and all the while, after the USAF officers at Blue Book who suspected "something was going on behind the scenes" had been moved on in favour of more "workable" officers, the false information was promoted and a good deal of it through Ufologists who knew cases were hoaxes but continued to push them in print and on TV.

The 1970s and Richard Doty and how he bought William Moore and other (unnamed) Ufologists to spy on Ufology and see what was going on in research and to feed a lot of false information into the subject was nothing new.  It was standard counter intelligence and even if it led to Bennewitz being driven nuts -who cared?  Doty is still in Ufology and a "celebrity" with everyone okay with him but not Moore who was following Doty's orders!

Over the years I met various old time NICAP people and even corresponded with some. So what has this got to do with no photos of NICAP offices and staff? One old timer told me that he had been in town and phoned NICAP in order to arranger a visit to the HQ. He was told, very firmly, "No".  thinking he had breached some protocol he was unaware of he talked to some friends and they all told him that you only got into NICAP offices when they decided you could and that taking photos was a "major no-no". Another told me that "NICAP offices were off limits and no publicity shots -photos were forbidden".  So I asked why and he responded "They did not want you to photograph who might be there." By that he meant one of the people working for intelligence who "Were going through all the reports".

The opinions varied. One was that Keyhoe had thought he could play and use the intelligence and military people he drew into NICAP and that went sour on him -hence his being ousted. The other opinion was that military and conservative  Keyhoe's sudden interest in flying saucers, breaking the story in True magazine then the press conferences and TV was a long term counter intelligence operation to control the narrative.

There is no paperwork to prove this, there would not be, but it started making more sense. In fact, on a whim, assuming that this was all a counter intelligence operation I looked at Keyhoe's work again. I also looked at how some fellow Ufologists stated that he looked down at them and took opportunities to put the word out about 'bad' Ufologists. If Keyhoe was not involved in such an operation to control the narrative then he was picked on by coincidence! 

If you know of any NICAP office photos -please get in touch!

Was Keyhoe part of an anti UFO operation that ran its course and was replaced by another...and in recent years yet another?  You tell me.

In Search Of UFO Captives ... With Leonard Nimoy! (1978).

OFF LIMITS: The Most Secret Places in the World

Alien Probe, Sentient Machine, Nuclear Weapon, or Junk? What is the Betz...

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Since 1947 it has been claimed that UFOs/flying saucers are evidence of aliens visiting the Earth.  Since the 1950s claims of encounters with landed craft and alien beings were talked about but not taken seriously.

In the 1960s the subject of UFO abduction was a "slow-burner" until the whole "Grey" abduction phenomenon and claims made by researchers such as Budd Hopkins, Prof. John Mack and Dr David Jacobs and Whitley Streiber.

But is there evidence to back up any of the claims -and what about those encountering Alien Entities but who were not abducted?

Are these people all hoaxers, psychotic or suffering from some other mental illness as some claim?

Are those people who were exposed by Ufologists against their wishes, people who wanted to report what happened and then just get back to their everyday lives -thrust into the media glare against their will?

And if US authorities were so interested that in one case at least they broke into the home of two abductees and this was later proven -why?

Why did a hard core of these people never want publicity or to make money from what happened to them?

Above all, why did a major UFO landing incident take place on a US Inbterstate road in front of a large number of observers (all willing to talk to investigators) never get investigated? If it were not for a radio presenter interviewing and taking notes we would know nothing of the case -it would be labelled "insubstantial".

James and Coral Lorensen -the Scopolamine Kids; using a very notorious "truth drug" on alleged UFO witnesses and selling stories to newspapers.  An investigator (a veteran) showing a witness images of "aliens" encountered in other cases before any memories were retrieved.  Worst of all, the constant "pissing competition" and breaches of trust between UFO investigators.

2017 is the time to assess the past evidence and look at the faults within Ufology.

Not everyone is going to be happy -debunkers or ufologists.

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A must read for those with a serious interest in UFOs Some of the contents:

 The Nottinghamshire UFO Crash of 1987…or 1988                                     
 The Llandrillo ‘Saucer’ and Berwyn Mountains ‘UFO’ Crash Retrieval   
 Strange Pennsylvania Entity Encounter                                                         
 UFO Abductees and Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome                               
 The UFO That Landed On A US Highway                                                     
 My Encounters With The Men In Black                                                         
 A Previously Un-noted Alien Entity Type                                               
       
 Early 20^th Century UK Close Encounters of the Third Kind                       
 Close Encounter with a Boggart                                                                      
 Some Odd and Unusual Cases                                                                         
 Rosa Lotti and the Happy Entities                                                                  
 The Strange Case of the Woollaton Gnomes and the Mince-pie Martians 
 What Happened on the Isle of Wight and at Felixstowe?                             
 The ‘Lost’ Belgian UFO Landing Case                                                        
  
 Strange Aliens from Outer Space?                                                              
 Encounter with Black Aliens and Landed UFO                                 

 Preliminary UK CE3K/Alien Entity Catalogue        

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The Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) says that we may have to wait many thousands of years before any signals sent gets a response if they are detected.

The real SETI may already have established the there is alien life –and it has been visiting Earth for at least 70 years.

Once the mass of reports of Close Encounters of the Third Kind and entity encounters are sifted there remains a strong core of cases that defy logical explanation and suggest that these encounters have resulted in physiological effects and post traumatic stress.

Terry Hooper-Scharf of the CE3K/AE Project has led research into these reports for over 40 years and in this work takes a look at rare or obscure reports as well as cataloguing encounters from Germany and Portugal and focuses in on correlations in the reports and how the Dandenong (Kelly Cahill) encounter could be the best case ever reported.

Have the serious investigators and researchers looking into UFOs been unearthing better evidence of extra terrestrial life and contact with humans than established SETI ?

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Beyond UFO Contact i the fourth book in the groundbreaking series looking at reports of Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Alien-Entity reports from around the world and reassessing these. In addition there is a look at the Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligences (SETI) and its relevance to the UFO phenomenon. 

contents list: 

Introduction: The Path of Counter-Actuality 

1. Dionisio Llanca: Truck Driver, UFO Abductee and Human Guinea Pig 

2. Aliens -What Can We Expect? 

3. The Moreland Incident 

4. It Is All Fake: Ufology Needs To Be Reassessed 

5. Warminster UFOs and Entity Reports 

6. Have Things Changed Since 1977? 

7. The Beausoleil Cas -Even Aliens Like Theatre 

8. The Pwca 

9. Contact...with the Vegetable Alien 

10. The Casitas Dam UFO Photograph and Entity 

11. The Crystal Lake Encounter 

12. The Humanoids at South Riverand the Luczkowich Encounter 

13. Harrison Bailey 

14. Sonny DesVerger 

15. The UFO "Borderline"-The Imjarvi Skiers 

16. Some Interesting Reports to Note 

17. Dead Aliens in Photographs 

18. Ufology, Government Cover Ups and Disclosure 

19. The Reports That You Might Not Want To Look Into 

20. Conil de la Frontera -a Credible Report? 

21. Eighteenth Century Aliens? 

22. Clearview Ranch 

23. The Pat McGuire Case 

24. Piero Fortunato Franzetta 

25. The Silbury Hill Encounter 

26. The Bridge Abduction 

27. The Bagshot Heath UFO Incident 

28. Lurkers and Alien Disinterest 

29. What If YOU See Aliens Land? 

30. So What Would YOU Do If You Encountered A Landed UFO?

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1973 –Year of the “Global UFO Wave” 

1973 –The “Year of the Humanoids” 

1973 –The year of the Pascagoula alien abduction claim 

1973 –Several witnesses observed two Unidentified Flying Objects: one temporarily landed on a US Interstate road while the other hovered close-by. An entity appeared from the landed object. A car driver approaching from the opposite direction stops, turns his/her car and races off. This is classed as a Major Incident in Ufology. 

1973 –a driver observes a landed UFO and entities and opens fire with his gun when he felt threatened. A High Strangeness account. 

Neither of these cases was investigated despite requests for local investigators to do so. Even in 2020 the idea of opening up either as a cold case was flatly Rejected by America’s ‘top UFO investigation’ group. 

Reports now probably lost to history. 

1973 –a year in which UFO reports from African-Americans were frowned upon and ignored. Nothing has changed.

It's all sorted

 After a lot of thinking I have come to a decision about my archives and books.

I arranged today (to make double sure) that when I croak my online store is deleted. Let's face it the books are not selling due to the current state of illiteracy so the only ones who would make money from any sales are the printer and the print on demand firm and the bank will only filch money for monthly charges. 

 Since my family has shown absolutely no interest in my work or books and constantly tell me I have wasted my whole life and money on "rubbish" like feck are they getting anything.

In fact when I previously stated that something needed to be sorted with my work (wildlife, UFOs etc and comics/publishing) after I croak it was made very clear that there is an incinerator in the back garden and that was no joke. It does take care of a lot, though.

In five decades I have been ripped off, my work used uncredited (by academics at that) and no one wanting to cooperate I see no reason why, like better researchers before me, I should allow the scumbag fakers to get a hold of my work and gain from it.

If I cannot make anything (even a basic living or to pay bills) from the books and research then no one else is and I am not having fighting over who gets my work. Mr Burner will take care of that and I will not be around to care.

Sorted.

Für meine Deutschen Leser

 Dies war ein kleiner (20 cm x 11 cm) Katalog von Büchern, die Ende der 1990er Jahre von den Ventla Verlagen verschickt wurden, und ich erhielt diesen mit einer der Ausgaben der UFO Nachrichten, die mir Karl Veit zu schicken pflegte.

Nettes kleines Feature im Inneren, von dem ich dachte, dass es einige interessieren könnte ... plus eine der Buchanzeigen!

BUFORA

 It is not a controversial statement that BUFORA is a spent 'force'. As an organisation in the 1970s it was certain individuals doing all the work and BUFORA getting the credit. They were pretty useless and it was not only my UFO reports that went 'missing'.

Now it is just a debunkers club going by what they post on their site and as for investigations..."fizzle" seems to sum it all up.

A Few Thoughts

 Apparently, it has been "known" in the US for years that two of the Ufologists William Moore never identified as working with Richard Doty were Hopkins and Jacobs.

Not sure I believe that one though it would explain a lot!

In between other work yesterday I did a lot of back checking after writing the above. 

The New Berlin/"Stonehenge" alleged UFO landing and repair case was carried out by Ted Bloecher and another fella, just another local UFO investigator named Budd Hopkins. Hopkins got in deep with Bloecher who just retired in the 1980s and turned cases over to Hopkins and Jacobs was brought in. That Bloecher who had been so dedicated just gave up is odd (there IS a very strong rumour as to why). 

However, Hopkins and the New Berlin case then led (in the words of some Ufologists) to "Missing Time appeared pretty quickly". Hopkins ex wife filmed him while they were living together talking about Linda Cortile being a fake (phone call to him pretending to be someone else and documents from another witness turning out (via handwriting examination) to be from her and his stacking of evidence. 

How he went from simple "screen image" abductions to...well Greys and what not seemed odd and it was at that point that I realised something was going on. 

Jacobs, again, known in Ufology but he was a historian and not anyone of note otherwise. Suddenly he and Hopkins are the only two people worth listening to on entity cases and claims got more extravagant but for over 30 years they screwed up Ufology. Unfortunately, Ufology tends to jump at and grasp these dubious claims -as proven by UFO history.

William Moore should have named the others but he just never had the guts and even today Ufology has no idea how much of what he fed it were lies. That in itself is a perfectly successful counter intelligence op and the man (Richard Doty) leading it...is still feeding Ufology a line.

Of course, now Doty is superseded by others.

Think about it.

UFO Classified | Leah Prime

Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Alien Entities

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Crashed UFOs, Counter Intelligence and "Guiding Ufology"

 Here is something in the way of an explanation as to why the AOP Bureau totally side stepped "Roswell" but looked at other UCOs (Unidentified Crashed Objects).

To make it easier let's look at what Wikipedia has to say.

"The 'Aztec, New Mexico UFO (sometimes known as the "other Roswell") was a flying saucer crash alleged to have happened in 1948 in Aztec, New Mexico. The story was first published in 1949 by author Frank Scully in his Variety magazine columns, and later in his 1950 book Behind the Flying Saucers. In the mid-1950s, the story was exposed as a hoax fabricated by two confidence men, Silas M. Newton and Leo A. Gebauer as part of a fraudulent scheme to sell supposed alien technology. Beginning in the 1970s, some Ufologists resurrected the story in books claiming the purported crash was real. In 2013, an FBI memo claimed by some Ufologists to substantiate the crash story was dismissed by the bureau as "a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated".

There was always a rumour that Newton and Gebauer were having their strings pulled by a mysterious third party. Just who that was has never been revealed because...no one dug in.

"According to Scully, in March 1948 an unidentified aerial craft containing sixteen humanoid bodies was recovered by the military in New Mexico after making a controlled landing in Hart Canyon 12 miles northeast of the city of Aztec. The craft was said to be 99 feet (30 m) in diameter, the largest UFO to date. Scully named as his sources two men identified as Newton and Gebauer, who reportedly told him the incident had been covered up and "the military had taken the craft for secret research".

Scully wrote that the crashed UFO along with other flying saucers captured by the government came from Venus and worked on "magnetic principles". According to Scully, the inhabitants stocked concentrated food wafers and "heavy water" for drinking purposes, and every dimension of the craft was "divisible by nine". Science writer Martin Gardner criticized Scully's story as full of "wild imaginings" and "scientific howlers".

Gardner, of course, was correct. I read Scully's 1950 book, Behind The Flying Saucers, in the mid 1970s and ranked it alongside The Scoriton Mystery -a British contactee story. My first thought was that no one would take this seriously, especially scientists. And that seems to have been the point.

"During the late 1940s and early 50s, Silas Newton and Leo A. Gebauer traveled through Aztec, attempting to sell devices known in the oil business as "doodlebugs." They claimed that these devices could find oil, gas and gold, and that they could do so because they were based on "alien technology" recovered from the supposed crash of a flying saucer. When J. P. Cahn of the San Francisco Chronicle asked the con-men for a piece of metal from the supposed alien devices, they provided him with a sample that turned out to be ordinary aluminium.  

"In 1949, author Frank Scully published a series of columns in Variety magazine retelling the crash story told to him by Newton and Gebauer. He later expanded these columns to create "Behind the Flying Saucers", a best selling book that influenced public perceptions about UFOs. Four years later the hoax was exposed in True magazine. After the article was published, many victims of the pair came forward. One of the victims was the millionaire Herman Flader, who pressed charges. The two were convicted of fraud in 1953."

The public and flying saucer enthusiasts (who really bought the whole story and shouted down detractors of the story...sound familiar?).

Newton (center) and Scully (right), Denver Post, October 19, 1950
Courtesy Denver Public Library.

"Through the mid-1950s to the early 1970s, most Ufologists considered the subject thoroughly discredited and therefore avoided it. However, in the late 70s, author Leonard Stringfield purported that not only was the incident real, but that the craft involved was one of many captured and stored by the U.S. military. In later years, many alleged 'first hand' accounts of the Roswell crash contained the Aztec crash story, with some claiming the craft was made of a material impervious to all heat, while others claiming the craft was damaged by the crash. The supposed humanoid bodies were said to measure between 36 inches (91 cm) and 42 inches (110 cm) in height, and weigh around 40 pounds (18 kg). Ufologists claim that shortly after the craft was downed, the military cleared the area of evidence, including the bodies—subsequently taking it to Hangar 18 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base."

Stringfield was a well known Ufologist from the 1950s on and had a UFO sighting along with others while in a military transport so his credentials were impeccable -even though his interview techniques were questionable: during the interviews with the three women involved in the Liberty, Kentucky abduction, Stringfield threw down drawings of various claimed aliens seen in sightings to see if any matched what the women saw this before any hypnosis was carried out.

My late colleague, Franklyn Davin-Wilson talked to Stringfield at a BUFORA conference in the 1970s and was told that "I can't name some sources; one is in air force intelligence" and later when William Moore confessed  to have been spying on Ufology along with other Ufologists (who, to his shame as it meant that much of the material at the time could not be trusted) as well as feeding disinformation. At that point the name Richard Doty cropped up in conversations as to who the USAF intelligence source could have been. Franklyn found Stringfield to be pleasant but holding back.  

Wright-Patterson AFB was, of course, the home of Project Blue Book and so that fed into the thinking of Ufology that wreckage and bodies collected would naturally go to the USAF UFO project HQ and was a nuisance even after the Condon Committee and the closing of Blue Book. A very big distraction.

William L. Moore, those of you with a long memory may recall,  was an the author and former UFO researcher, prominent from the late 1970s to the late 1980s who co-authored two books with Charles Berlitz, including The Roswell Incident. Moore the self confessed pawn of Richard Doty in disrupting Ufology along with other (unnamed) Ufologists. For a few years everything was "crashed UFOs" and alien bodies to such an extent that looking at the 'credible' accounts being pushed UFOs were not interplanetary space craft but interplanetary kamikaze craft!

William Moore

Ufology got bored because after 40 years not a scrap of physical evidence of crashed UFOs has appeared other than some very faked stuff and the US National Archive actually has some Roswell fragments and it conforms to the wood and silver material described in the original report not the later added to rumours. Ufology had crashed UFO fatigue. Then came digital cameras and everyone went crazy on "Rods" then "Orbs" and the paranormal and Ufological scenes all claimed these. Another distraction as the "Greys" and their agenda got pushed more and more and consumed Ufology until only just after Budd Hopkins' death and all the revelations....followed by the dethroning of the new King of Abduction Research David Jacobs.

Things began to calm down although MUFON then became embroiled in faking reports, selling data to Robert Bigelow, misogynistic and even child abuse scandals -even a "life long abductee" pushed by Ufology for TV , etc. was arrested on child abuse charges.

All of this is online and you can check for yourselves. 

But Ufology seemed to be lost while real "truth seekers" actually used the Freedom of Information Act to get at documents and totally books publishing totally fake accounts of happenings on "Skinwalker Ranch" diverted everyone. Lectures, documentaries, You Tube seemed to have a tsunami of Skinwalker Ranch videos promoting every snapping twig as paranormal while post production added "phenomenon". Now the ranch is the setting for one of the most unscientific UFO shows ever -and I watched UFO Hunters!

The same old same old names crop up in all of this from the 1980s on and now we have the "UFO disclosure" where UFO secrecy is tightening and the "whistle blower" turns out not to have resigned his job while receiving world attention with a very bad stage act -just watch the interviews. nothing has been revealed (apart from a few very dodgy images and video clips) and these 'former' counter intelligence people are now the heroes with a chunk of Ufology praising them and acting almost like a cult. Anyone questioning or casting doubt on the new 'heroes' is shut down -trolled, harassed and made the 'enemies'.

Richard Doty

This because the people who lied and deceived Ufology and hid all of the reports say they are not lying. Assess what has been released. Assess how the crashed UFO story was a good distraction to throw Ufology and how people like Doty are now UFO 'celebrities' and not challenged at events.

Luis Elizondo

I studied, for a few years, how intelligence/counter intelligence works. The double crosses throughout history and triple crosses as well as short term and long term 'projects'.  Go read online or buy a book on how counter intelligence works. It is working now and has worked with Ufology since the 1940s and even those at Blue Book believed something was going on "behind closed doors".

Do not be fooled.