I made the error last night of going onto a "by invitation only" UFO page to ask about (AGAIN) cooperation on a project.
I was greeted by the first post on what is, basically, a manic collectors of old UFO publication scans club. It explained that UFO conferences were a waste of time because they were all filled with egotists, sensationalists and people seeking TV time. Also every -every- UFO sighting was explainable as psychological, hoax or misidentification and it was clearly stated by this well known ufologist that no one credible believe in the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis or other explanation for UFO origins. Basically "It's all crap!"
The question is why, if all of these 'elite' ufologists think this, why are they still in ufology? Ego is the obvious answer because a lot of ego polishing goes on. They all seem to largely investigate via news clippings and snatch and grab what ever publication scans they can -even publications in languages they do not understand and ingratitude seems to be given and accepted.
It was also troubling to learn of group members who were going to go to events and promised to report on who did or said what.
I had this impression that I was at a private British girls school in the 1950s. Gossip. Bitch and more.
These people need to either get out and really investigate or produce papers that their peers can review. Or just leave ufology and become yet another UFOfan.
If you look at it that every case is rot -even if the witness proves credible then, well, he 'obviously' is not credible because he made the report! I am not joking. I have seen a few comments by group members and two at least have asked me for extra details on cases that were scientifically nonsense.
1) after the UFO (alleged) swooped in and abducted the witness a mile from his home was tyre wear on his vehicle checked?
The percipient (there is a difference between "witness" and "percipient") stops and gets OUT of his car and the abduction takes place. He then wakens to find himself in the car at the very same spot. What tyre wear??
2) after the alleged abduction was the car fuel level checked?
Same answer.
3) Had the alleged witness watched the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind?
That was a 1977 movie and, believe it or not, not everyone has seen the movie. I personally know of ten people who are into UFOs that have not seen the movie. Also, the percipient says he hates sci fi and most of his free time is consumed with a hobby. To which I could add that this percipient's encounter is absolutely nothing like anything shown in the movie.
Response? "Well we only have his word on that"
These people search no research function. They are hobbyists at best and negative ones to boot. When you read that these people think UFO research is pointless then you know suggesting joint research is pointless...I've been shot down a few times by members in the past on this.
Now a while back I suggested to the British UFO Research Association (BUFORA) that they contribute to the CE3K project. Nothing. I asked whether, for research, I could get a copy of their Vehicle Interference Report and I could send cases they might not have listed. Took a while to get a reply...I can buy the report for £19.99.
I really do give up. I think my statement that you achieve more from private research and then publishing your work for peer review was spot on. But what "peers"?
It seems the banker with a strong interest in ufology is not out there to back research. In fact, UFO groups do seem to like to "talk the talk" and pull in the money but actually doing research? No. And you just know any money man is likely to be pulled in and fooled by the "scientific stance" of these people.
I almost give in.
I was greeted by the first post on what is, basically, a manic collectors of old UFO publication scans club. It explained that UFO conferences were a waste of time because they were all filled with egotists, sensationalists and people seeking TV time. Also every -every- UFO sighting was explainable as psychological, hoax or misidentification and it was clearly stated by this well known ufologist that no one credible believe in the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis or other explanation for UFO origins. Basically "It's all crap!"
The question is why, if all of these 'elite' ufologists think this, why are they still in ufology? Ego is the obvious answer because a lot of ego polishing goes on. They all seem to largely investigate via news clippings and snatch and grab what ever publication scans they can -even publications in languages they do not understand and ingratitude seems to be given and accepted.
It was also troubling to learn of group members who were going to go to events and promised to report on who did or said what.
I had this impression that I was at a private British girls school in the 1950s. Gossip. Bitch and more.
These people need to either get out and really investigate or produce papers that their peers can review. Or just leave ufology and become yet another UFOfan.
If you look at it that every case is rot -even if the witness proves credible then, well, he 'obviously' is not credible because he made the report! I am not joking. I have seen a few comments by group members and two at least have asked me for extra details on cases that were scientifically nonsense.
1) after the UFO (alleged) swooped in and abducted the witness a mile from his home was tyre wear on his vehicle checked?
The percipient (there is a difference between "witness" and "percipient") stops and gets OUT of his car and the abduction takes place. He then wakens to find himself in the car at the very same spot. What tyre wear??
2) after the alleged abduction was the car fuel level checked?
Same answer.
3) Had the alleged witness watched the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind?
That was a 1977 movie and, believe it or not, not everyone has seen the movie. I personally know of ten people who are into UFOs that have not seen the movie. Also, the percipient says he hates sci fi and most of his free time is consumed with a hobby. To which I could add that this percipient's encounter is absolutely nothing like anything shown in the movie.
Response? "Well we only have his word on that"
These people search no research function. They are hobbyists at best and negative ones to boot. When you read that these people think UFO research is pointless then you know suggesting joint research is pointless...I've been shot down a few times by members in the past on this.
Now a while back I suggested to the British UFO Research Association (BUFORA) that they contribute to the CE3K project. Nothing. I asked whether, for research, I could get a copy of their Vehicle Interference Report and I could send cases they might not have listed. Took a while to get a reply...I can buy the report for £19.99.
I really do give up. I think my statement that you achieve more from private research and then publishing your work for peer review was spot on. But what "peers"?
It seems the banker with a strong interest in ufology is not out there to back research. In fact, UFO groups do seem to like to "talk the talk" and pull in the money but actually doing research? No. And you just know any money man is likely to be pulled in and fooled by the "scientific stance" of these people.
I almost give in.
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